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Saturday, March 17, 2012
THE EVOLUTION OF HAM
Most of you here know that I am not a fan of Ken Ham and his anti-evolution, anti-science, my-way-or-the-highway brand of Christianity. Hence, I found this pictorial quite amusing:
I know it's a personal call as to what I find funny vis a vis racist and what HHH and LEwMH find humorous vis a vis racist. However, there is a pretty good correlation between racism and low IQ - just sayin' :-)
Maybe the "racists'" point is not so much racist as it is to illustrate the fallout from belief in a dubious theory that is not substantiated by the fossil record, without which Darwin himself admitted his theory would come crashing down. In other words, foolish conclusions stem from foolish theory.
Maybe - maybe you don't understand the fossil record and accept the tripe about there being no fossils of transitional species. Look it up - there are dozens if not hundreds.
You are very immature. You post this just because you don't like what you hear instead of doing research to see if what Ken Ham said was right. I don't care that you posted this a long time ago.Simon Greenleaf, a professor of Harvard from 1833 through 1845 was convince that Christ's Resurrection was only a myth. Of course he thought that a dead man couldn't rise from the dead that he set out to write a book which would dispel the notion of Christ's Resurrection once and for all. After a great deal of painstaking research, he was so convinced that Christ had definitely risen from the dead that he became a Christian himself and there has been others too who were atheists but later became a Christian. They ACTUALLY researched to find out if what the bible said was true compare to you and Bill Nye who believes in what YOU, yourselves want to believe. What Ken Ham say is true. So don't make fun of him because of his feature.You believe in evolution and when you die it's over? If that was true, than what would be the point of life? Teenagers these days are committing suicide because there's no hope for them and they can't find what the meaning/or purpose of life is(that's why alot of teens are depressed and commit suicide). One murder said he believed evolution and that when we die, it's over. Because of that belief, he raped women and killed because he thought there were no meaning to life and that we all "descended from animals". You better read all that I type if you are going to text back to disagree.
Thanks for dropping by. Since you are "Anonymous" I will make the conjecture that you work for the ICR or another of Ham's outfits. First, I haven't been called immature for over 60 years, so that was a surprise! Second, I prefer my anecdotes from the 21st century, not the 19th. Third, I also prefer biblical research to be published by biblical scholars such as Pete Enns. Fourth, for every story you bring up about purported evolutionists carrying out murder and suicide, I will bring up 100 or more confirmed "Christians" who have done the same. And lastly, about Ken Ham telling the truth - the only truth Ham speaks is that which will put himself above all others and that will make him money. Many centuries Augustine warned of the likes of Ham who speak nonsense about matters of common knowledge, pointing out that in doing so, non-believers would have no reason to accept what they say regarding scripture. Answers in Genesis is misguided because the real answers are found in the Gospels - not in the Torah, the ancient stories of wandering bronze age folks. What Ham should have done rather than build an ark, is to find a nice hill side, make animatronics of Jesus, his disciples and his followers gathered around to hear the Beatitudes, the parables, and most importantly the words recorded in Matthew 25.
Well, of course. Regarding evolution - it is not a belief system; as all good theories, it is a theory that considers all of the evidence to make to synthesize the best explanation of all observations. If new discoveries are made that contradict the theory, the evidence does not change, the theory does. So, I don't "believe" in evolution, I accept the evidence as being true. Regarding being a Christian - I certainly am not one like those who lay hands on the amoral narcissist in the White House. And there are certainly many other "Christians" who I am not like. However, if you read Jesus' words in Matthew 25 about how everyone will be judged, I'd say I'm in fairly good shape.
But since you are a Christian wouldn't you believe that we all came from God and that God made the Earth even though scientists have their evidence of evolution and says we came from monkeys/mammals? I'm not trying to be impolite or anything sir, I'm just wondering since I, myself am a Christian.
Well, a prelude - if you are going to be taken seriously, you should make sure that you speak accurately. First, evolution does not say that humans came from monkeys. The several strains of humans and the monkeys/apes had a common predecessor. Common descent is a fundamental concept in evolution. Re being a Christian - I am pretty sure that Ham would say that I'm not since anyone who does not accept all of his interpretations of scripture are "compromised" Christians, at best, and heretics, at worst. Similarly it's likely that the UCC would consider me to be a Christian.
Now, regarding God, creation and evolution - I would recommend that you spend some time reading the works of some of my friends. Start with Darrel Falk's "Coming to Peace with Science"; then read Francis Collins' "The Language of God" and the follow up with Karl Giberson "The Language of Science and Faith." Finish off reading a couple of Pete Enns books, "The Evolution of Adam" and "The Sin of Certainty." Then maybe spend some time over at BioLogos, particularly the writings of Dennis Venema. These fellows most likely will answer many of your questions.
I don't think microcephalus counts as an separate branch of ancestral human. The one on the right, I mean.
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ReplyDeleteObama is the missing link and proof that man evolved from apes.
ReplyDeleteYou got it backwards, Hardy. Obama is proof that apes evolved from blacks.
ReplyDeleteI know it's a personal call as to what I find funny vis a vis racist and what HHH and LEwMH find humorous vis a vis racist. However, there is a pretty good correlation between racism and low IQ - just sayin' :-)
ReplyDeleteMaybe the "racists'" point is not so much racist as it is to illustrate the fallout from belief in a dubious theory that is not substantiated by the fossil record, without which Darwin himself admitted his theory would come crashing down. In other words, foolish conclusions stem from foolish theory.
ReplyDeleteKen Ham "still in the dark ages' over some stupid ass red shift?
ReplyDeleteMaybe - maybe you don't understand the fossil record and accept the tripe about there being no fossils of transitional species. Look it up - there are dozens if not hundreds.
ReplyDeleteYou are very immature. You post this just because you don't like what you hear instead of doing research to see if what Ken Ham said was right. I don't care that you posted this a long time ago.Simon Greenleaf, a professor of Harvard from 1833 through 1845 was convince that Christ's Resurrection was only a myth. Of course he thought that a dead man couldn't rise from the dead that he set out to write a book which would dispel the notion of Christ's Resurrection once and for all. After a great deal of painstaking research, he was so convinced that Christ had definitely risen from the dead that he became a Christian himself and there has been others too who were atheists but later became a Christian. They ACTUALLY researched to find out if what the bible said was true compare to you and Bill Nye who believes in what YOU, yourselves want to believe. What Ken Ham say is true. So don't make fun of him because of his feature.You believe in evolution and when you die it's over? If that was true, than what would be the point of life? Teenagers these days are committing suicide because there's no hope for them and they can't find what the meaning/or purpose of life is(that's why alot of teens are depressed and commit suicide). One murder said he believed evolution and that when we die, it's over. Because of that belief, he raped women and killed because he thought there were no meaning to life and that we all "descended from animals". You better read all that I type if you are going to text back to disagree.
ReplyDeleteThanks for dropping by. Since you are "Anonymous" I will make the conjecture that you work for the ICR or another of Ham's outfits. First, I haven't been called immature for over 60 years, so that was a surprise! Second, I prefer my anecdotes from the 21st century, not the 19th. Third, I also prefer biblical research to be published by biblical scholars such as Pete Enns. Fourth, for every story you bring up about purported evolutionists carrying out murder and suicide, I will bring up 100 or more confirmed "Christians" who have done the same. And lastly, about Ken Ham telling the truth - the only truth Ham speaks is that which will put himself above all others and that will make him money. Many centuries Augustine warned of the likes of Ham who speak nonsense about matters of common knowledge, pointing out that in doing so, non-believers would have no reason to accept what they say regarding scripture. Answers in Genesis is misguided because the real answers are found in the Gospels - not in the Torah, the ancient stories of wandering bronze age folks. What Ham should have done rather than build an ark, is to find a nice hill side, make animatronics of Jesus, his disciples and his followers gathered around to hear the Beatitudes, the parables, and most importantly the words recorded in Matthew 25.
ReplyDeletemay I ask if you're a Christian and if you believe in evolution?
ReplyDeleteWell, of course. Regarding evolution - it is not a belief system; as all good theories, it is a theory that considers all of the evidence to make to synthesize the best explanation of all observations. If new discoveries are made that contradict the theory, the evidence does not change, the theory does. So, I don't "believe" in evolution, I accept the evidence as being true. Regarding being a Christian - I certainly am not one like those who lay hands on the amoral narcissist in the White House. And there are certainly many other "Christians" who I am not like. However, if you read Jesus' words in Matthew 25 about how everyone will be judged, I'd say I'm in fairly good shape.
ReplyDeleteBut since you are a Christian wouldn't you believe that we all came from God and that God made the Earth even though scientists have their evidence of evolution and says we came from monkeys/mammals? I'm not trying to be impolite or anything sir, I'm just wondering since I, myself am a Christian.
ReplyDeleteWell, a prelude - if you are going to be taken seriously, you should make sure that you speak accurately. First, evolution does not say that humans came from monkeys. The several strains of humans and the monkeys/apes had a common predecessor. Common descent is a fundamental concept in evolution. Re being a Christian - I am pretty sure that Ham would say that I'm not since anyone who does not accept all of his interpretations of scripture are "compromised" Christians, at best, and heretics, at worst. Similarly it's likely that the UCC would consider me to be a Christian.
ReplyDeleteNow, regarding God, creation and evolution - I would recommend that you spend some time reading the works of some of my friends. Start with Darrel Falk's "Coming to Peace with Science"; then read Francis Collins' "The Language of God" and the follow up with Karl Giberson "The Language of Science and Faith." Finish off reading a couple of Pete Enns books, "The Evolution of Adam" and "The Sin of Certainty." Then maybe spend some time over at BioLogos, particularly the writings of Dennis Venema. These fellows most likely will answer many of your questions.
Thank you, I will look for those books
ReplyDeleteYou are welcome, and I hope that you find them useful.
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